Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: Grudgie on July 22, 2013, 11:31:35 PM
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I am watching some videos on YouTube about torture tests between the Ar and Ak platforms. On the first page of results, the first few videos are favorable to the Ar.
AR vs. AK dirt/dust test torture AR15 15 AK47 47 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqRwx4wtmms#)
AR15 AK47 Torture and reliability (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJZHj11OPPE#)
AK-47 torture test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNyoeEai35s#ws)
M4 Torture Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etEgTlozYIc#ws)
AR vs AK Dust Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7IGHWIMNE0#)
The only video that was favorable to the Ak was this:
AK vs AR Reliability Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr1tV2nsGoM#ws)
Now I own both systems and am not bashing one or the other. I have experienced malfunctions with both. But I think it is good to clear up some misconceptions about them and learn about the limitations of our rifles. Personally I think the Ar gets a bad rep from sending it straight into Vietnam with the wrong powder and no cleaning gear.
The Akms in these videos are messing from dirt getting inside the reciever and gumming up the trigger group and getting into the throat. The Ar's criticism of 'tight tolerances' is actually keep a lot of the dirt out of the system.
The basic gist I got from the videos is 'keep your rifle clean and ready!'
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Hey man
I see it as yours was a good call, I have Owned Both the AR and AK Platforms and I did Trade my AR for a G-3 Clone, But that was My Preference for 308 not any citisism of the AR Platform, many folks never clean thier firearms correctly, be it an AR., AK or Musket! Some AK's work longer filthly but thats hardly a reason to use them! Go check out guns at a pawn shop, gun show or your Buddies gun safe??You will see I am correct and many of us need to work harder to make our cleaning habits better! Pick, one (AR AK or BOTH) use and for God sake clean it?
Ron
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LOL here we go again... :hiding:
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The last part of Mosby's rant on AK VS AR:
Conclusions
Guys, here's the skinny. I've run FALs, G3s, M14s (real M14s, not M1As), and run them all well. I can run a stock AK as well as damned near anyone, and better than most guys run AR15/M4s. Yet, I still choose to run the M4.
Part of that is simply the fact that I've got more rounds through the platform than all others combined. Muscle memory, familiarization, and all that...I could overcome that though, if I switched over and trained on one of the others exclusively. Yet, I continue to run the M4. Granted, it's the weapon of the U.S. military and much of law enforcement, so there's the whole compatibility issue. I can ALWAYS get a re-supply of ammunition and magazines. Mostly, I run the M4 because I LOVE the weapon, and I TRUST the weapon. It's never failed me.
I don't care what YOU choose to carry and use. Just know, there's a reason that most of the special operations forces of the "free" world choose the M4. Because it works really well for killing people.
Nous Defions!
John Mosby
Somewhere in the Mountains
If you want to read the first two parts of the rant go to:
http://mountainguerrilla.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-m16ar15m4-why-its-choice-of.html (http://mountainguerrilla.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-m16ar15m4-why-its-choice-of.html)
Enough said!
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LOL here we go again... :hiding:
:coffeeNews:
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The ford 8N tractor is better than the Massey Ferguson tractor!!! :lmfao: :tractor:
Had to say that so I could use the :tractor: emoticon :lmfao: :lmfao:
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So we are back doing this, man this is getting really old but the videos are unbiased for once :gunner:
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I found a rusty steel-cased (the bi-metal jacket was rusted as well) 7.62 x 39 cartridge on the ground at an outdoor range. I chambered and fired it out of my wasr-10. That shot wasn't super-accurate! :lmfao:
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It's the kind of thing that just never ends isn't it? Kind of like Ford trucks or Chevy trucks. I liked the part about closer tolerances means less dirt can get in the weapon.
Just out of curiosity, if you didn't have a choice and had to pick, would you rather be shot with a .223 or a 7.62x39?
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Because of this thing called "hydrostatic shock" I'd rather be shot at 100 yards with an ak versus an ar. At 400 yards, I'd rather be shot with an ar. I'm counting on deflection to save me from AR rounds tho. :thumbsUp:
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Lemme caveat my previous statement. A 55-grainer out of a honest-to-goodness 20-inch barrel I fear more than a 62-grainer out of an m4-length barrel. "Progress" is a joke. At longer ranges, that heavier bullet out of a shorter barrel doesn't have much on it...
The 5.56 needs barrel and a light bullet or it's a ballistic dog. If I owned an AR it would be a 20-incher with 55-grainers screaming out at 3300 fps at the muzzle.
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Really guys? :suicide:
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Really guys? :suicide:
Not your show anymore.... At ease your face :DrillSgt: :whip:
Ill keep an AR near by, but my primary is back to AK :shoot:
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I know RvR, I would have just deleted the thread ;)
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I know RvR, I would have just deleted the thread ;)
:lmfao: but you can't :troutSlap:
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You forget yourself sir, I am still a moderator.
Truth be told it, I have no problem with the discussion provided it remains civil and doesn't degrade to the usual "my brand is better than your brand." We've had this conversation and both agree that it is like comparing apples to oranges.
One is a Carbine and the other is a submachine gun chambered for a rifle round.
Both are the best fielded in their class.
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Being the nice guy I am, anyone too overwrought with emotion on which platform is better, just send the offending system to me and I will dispose of it accordingly. I'm here to help you through this in the best possible mental condition possible. Let me help you, I am your shoulder to cry on.
:dancingGrenade:
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:facepalm:
Good thing myself and authority have never really clicked. :lmfao:
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AR's and Ak's both serve their purpose like the good tool they are meant to be. I chose an Ak because of the damage a larger round can generate, it's simplicity, and my belief that 300 yards is the max distance that I would have need of a rifle. If I ever find myself in a situation where I need to be able to shoot 400-600 yard multiple rounds quickly, I'll wish that I had chosen differently.
You can find AR's chambered in most any rifle round these days. I think that is a great answer for some.
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I went with the AR because I found a lower for $89 and wanted to get something before Obama won re-election or another mass shooting happened and everybody freaked out and bought everything up. Then SandyHook happened during day #8 of my 10 day waiting period. :facepalm:
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:facepalm:
Good thing myself and authority have never really clicked. :lmfao:
So Mr. Reaver has an issue with authority figures, who would have guessed? :DrillSgt:
My suspicion is that it stems from something to do with white, fluffy, bossy bunnies. :lmfao:
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MR Reaver
Has Many Issues, only 1 of authority, LOL
RON
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Really guys? :suicide:
^^^That!
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I love how in the test they never take the ar15 down and pour dirt directly all over. They always do it with the ak, since I belive people are misinformed, they always take off the RECIEVER cover and pour dirt inside, the dust cover is the the safety on the ak not the receiver cover you clowns. :dance:
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I love how in the test they never take the ar15 down and pour dirt directly all over. They always do it with the ak, since I belive people are misinformed, they always take off the RECIEVER cover and pour dirt inside, the dust cover is the the safety on the ak not the receiver cover you clowns. :dance:
I think the test is fair enough, bury both bolt closed dust cover open.
It's a bummer that the AK has that slot cut into the cover for the charging handle, kinda lets dirt pour right into that fire control group.
(http://crapaganda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/M16_Manual_05a.jpg)
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I think I gave Connie the rod once... :))
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Well.... I haven't got a warning from the new site yet and I do have a reputation to keep. So here goes.... You're all fucking retards!!!!!! Again I say fucking retards!!! Everyone knows I love the commie systems not gonna explain why it doesn't matter. In most families dad takes his son our for the first rifle shoot with a .22 well mine was a .22 it just so happened to be a .224 cal bullet fired from a 5.56!! My first rifle and general carry rifle in the woods as a kid was a mint colt ar-15 sp1 and it has always gone bang ( even with shit reloads that a high dollar ar failed to eat!) So to get to the point..... I think every man and woman that reads this should be able to run either weapons system! So why did I go commie gun? I had an sks and cases of $60 a case ammo when I was out on my own it made since. Is one better than the other? Yes in some categories. But they are each well proven battle rifles and all of us should know how to run each system and take care I'd each system as any rifleman should! Anybody that says different well.... You are a fucking retard. By the way on that subject if you are prepping because this or that might have this gun or that you're retarded because if you kill a man and take his ammo guess what??? Hey fuck head you have his rifle and mags.... Ohh shit I just blew your mind!! Think about it kids use you damn head its there for a reason......
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Gaps back! :gunner: ;)
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Surely a fancy info-graphic can get to the bottom of this question?
:shoot:
:cheers:
http://tacticalgear.com/ak-47-vs-ar-15 (http://tacticalgear.com/ak-47-vs-ar-15)
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Surely a fancy info-graphic can get to the bottom of this question?
:shoot:
:cheers:
http://tacticalgear.com/ak-47-vs-ar-15 (http://tacticalgear.com/ak-47-vs-ar-15)
You think so? LOL! I'm betting not!
The AR has turned into a great system, but when choosing it the prepper has to remember to stock one more item in bulk. Oil. AR's don't run long term without it. Running out of oil means using those lightweight 30 round mags as clubs to beat opponents with. Sure couldn't use the plastic collapsing folding stock to do it.
Thinking about it, that's probably a good sign to watch for. If DHS starts buying up gun oil and creates a shortage in supply it might just be a sign of evil intent.
Much love.